Discussion:
Key factors in Alzheimer's
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Ed Friedman
2011-04-26 20:09:12 UTC
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In doing some research, it seems to me that the key factors in
Alzheimer's disease are the increased levels of beta-amyloid, the
increased hyperphosphorylation of the tau protein, and the decreased
levels of glucose reaching the brain cells.

Are there any other key factors that anyone know about that I may be
missing here?

Ed Friedman
Evelyn
2011-04-26 23:43:41 UTC
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Post by Ed Friedman
In doing some research, it seems to me that the key factors in
Alzheimer's disease are the increased levels of beta-amyloid, the
increased hyperphosphorylation of the tau protein, and the decreased
levels of glucose reaching the brain cells.
Are there any other key factors that anyone know about that I may be
missing here?
Ed Friedman
There are no scientists that I know of posting here, but there are
many known factors that seem to contribute to developing the disease.
There is a hereditary factor. Head injuries, especially if there
were more than one, also contribute. High blood sugar for years, can
also be a contributor. Not keeping mentally active is also a factor.
Certain vitamins deficiencies can add to it.

Those are the only ones I know of, but there could be more.

Evelyn
Bohgosity BumaskiL
2011-09-04 04:32:19 UTC
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On 2011-04-26 5:43 PM, Evelyn wrote:
(...)
Post by Evelyn
Certain vitamins deficiencies can add to it.
(...)

I would be curious to know which vitamins play a part.
You may be aware that vitamins seldom act on their own.
That is they act with Zinc, Copper, Magnesium, Potassium,
and other minerals az activators.

It is like all vitamins are enzymes.
_______
http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/Sound/ Podcasting
EddyJean
2011-04-27 03:06:53 UTC
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Key factors in Alzheimer's

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Tue, Apr 26, 2011, 3:09pm (PDT+2)
From: ***@math.uchicago.edu (Ed=A0Friedman)
In doing some research, it seems to me that the key factors in
Alzheimer's disease are the increased levels of beta-amyloid, the
increased hyperphosphorylation of the tau protein, and the decreased
levels of glucose reaching the brain cells.
Are there any other key factors that anyone know about that I may be
missing here?
Ed Friedman
++++++++++
Ed.....The increased levels of beta amyloid is a symptom caused by a
virus. Study the viruses, especially the Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome virus
discovered in 1907 by the late Dr. James Ramsay Hunt.
EddyJean
Evelyn
2011-04-27 10:51:20 UTC
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Post by EddyJean
Key factors in Alzheimer's
Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Tue, Apr 26, 2011, 3:09pm (PDT+2)
In doing some research, it seems to me that the key factors in
Alzheimer's disease are the increased levels of beta-amyloid, the
increased hyperphosphorylation of the tau protein, and the decreased
levels of glucose reaching the brain cells.
Are there any other key factors that anyone know about that I may be
missing here?
Ed Friedman
++++++++++
Ed.....The increased levels of beta amyloid is a symptom caused by a
virus. Study the viruses, especially the Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome virus
discovered in 1907 by the late Dr. James Ramsay Hunt.
EddyJean
This has been researched and Eddy Jeans nonsense is not true. Please
take everything Eddy Jean says with not a grain of salt, but a whole
bucketfull.

Evelyn
Ed Friedman
2011-04-27 21:45:02 UTC
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Post by Evelyn
This has been researched and Eddy Jeans nonsense is not true. Please
take everything Eddy Jean says with not a grain of salt, but a whole
bucketfull.
Evelyn
Evelyn,

Thanks for the info. Even if there are no scientists, I've found that
usually on the alt.support.(name-your-disease-here) newsgroups there are
a few people that follow the science for the disease in question.

I had never heard of viruses being the cause of Alzheimer's disease
before. However, it is an interesting exercise in logic to demolish this
hypothesis. E.g.:

1. Assume viruses cause Alzheimer's disease.

2. It is known that high levels of testosterone protect against
Alzheimer's disease in men (26% lower chance of getting it for every 50%
increase in free testosterone index)
See: http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jan2004/nia-26.htm

3. Therefore, high levels of testosterone must protect against infection
by viruses.

4. However, almost all men (even those with high levels of testosterone)
get flu or colds occassionally. Since both flu and colds are caused by
viruses, then the assumption in #1 must be false (as is the one in #3).

Ed Friedman
Evelyn
2011-04-27 22:41:20 UTC
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Post by Ed Friedman
Post by Evelyn
This has been researched and Eddy Jeans nonsense is not true. Please
take everything Eddy Jean says with not a grain of salt, but a whole
bucketfull.
Evelyn
Evelyn,
Thanks for the info. Even if there are no scientists, I've found that
usually on the alt.support.(name-your-disease-here) newsgroups there are
a few people that follow the science for the disease in question.
I had never heard of viruses being the cause of Alzheimer's disease
before. However, it is an interesting exercise in logic to demolish this
1. Assume viruses cause Alzheimer's disease.
2. It is known that high levels of testosterone protect against
Alzheimer's disease in men (26% lower chance of getting it for every 50%
increase in free testosterone index)
See: http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jan2004/nia-26.htm
3. Therefore, high levels of testosterone must protect against infection
by viruses.
4. However, almost all men (even those with high levels of testosterone)
get flu or colds occassionally. Since both flu and colds are caused by
viruses, then the assumption in #1 must be false (as is the one in #3).
Ed Friedman
You probably just gave Eddyjean a fit! LOL

Evelyn :-)
EddyJean
2011-04-28 06:29:16 UTC
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Re: Key factors in Alzheimer's

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 6:41pm (PDT+3)
From: ***@gmail.com (Evelyn)
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:45:02 -0500, Ed Friedman <***@math.uchicago.edu>
wrote:
On 04/27/2011 05:51 AM, Evelyn wrote:
This has been researched and Eddy Jeans nonsense is not true. =A0 Please
take everything Eddy Jean says with not a grain of salt, but a whole
bucketfull.
Evelyn
Evelyn,
Thanks for the info. Even if there are no scientists, I've found that
usually on the alt.support.(name-your-disease-here) newsgroups there are
a few people that follow the science for the disease in question.
I had never heard of viruses being the cause of Alzheimer's disease
before. However, it is an interesting exercise in logic to demolish this
hypothesis. E.g.:
1. Assume viruses cause Alzheimer's disease.
2. It is known that high levels of testosterone protect against
Alzheimer's disease in men (26% lower chance of getting it for every 50%
increase in free testosterone index)
See: =A0 http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jan2004/nia-26.htm
3. Therefore, high levels of testosterone must protect against infection
by viruses.
4. However, almost all men (even those with high levels of testosterone)
get flu or colds occassionally. Since both flu and colds are caused by
viruses, then the assumption in #1 must be false (as is the one in #3).
Ed Friedman
You probably just gave Eddyjean a fit! LOL
Evelyn :-)
+++++

Sorry to disappoint, Evelyn. He hasn't!
EddyJean
EddyJean
2011-04-28 06:24:53 UTC
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Re: Key factors in Alzheimer's

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 4:45pm (PDT+2)
From: ***@math.uchicago.edu (Ed=A0Friedman)
On 04/27/2011 05:51 AM, Evelyn wrote:
This has been researched and Eddy Jeans nonsense is not true. =A0 Please
take everything Eddy Jean says with not a grain of salt, but a whole
bucketfull.
Evelyn
Evelyn,
Thanks for the info. Even if there are no scientists, I've found that
usually on the alt.support.(name-your-disease-here) newsgroups there are
a few people that follow the science for the disease in question.
I had never heard of viruses being the cause of Alzheimer's disease
before. However, it is an interesting exercise in logic to demolish this
hypothesis. E.g.:
1. Assume viruses cause Alzheimer's disease.
2. It is known that high levels of testosterone protect against
Alzheimer's disease in men (26% lower chance of getting it for every 50%
increase in free testosterone index)
See: =A0 http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jan2004/nia-26.htm
3. Therefore, high levels of testosterone must protect against infection
by viruses.
4. However, almost all men (even those with high levels of testosterone)
get flu or colds occassionally. Since both flu and colds are caused by
viruses, then the assumption in #1 must be false (as is the one in #3).
Ed Friedman
+++++++
Ed----
I'm looking at a man at this moment who has a high level of testosterone
that has Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome, a neurological disease similar to
Alzheimers. I don't know where you learned that testosterone protects
against viruses since it doesn't. Apparently your one of Evelyn's
cronies to deceive the people here.
EddyJean
Ed Friedman
2011-04-28 17:58:10 UTC
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On 04/28/2011 01:24 AM, EddyJean wrote:
+++++++
Post by EddyJean
Ed----
I'm looking at a man at this moment who has a high level of testosterone
that has Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome, a neurological disease similar to
Alzheimers. I don't know where you learned that testosterone protects
against viruses since it doesn't. Apparently your one of Evelyn's
cronies to deceive the people here.
EddyJean
EddyJean,

Apparently you are misunderstanding what I said. You say: "I don't know
where you learned that testosterone protects against viruses since it
doesn't."

That is precisely my point. High testosterone DOES NOT protect against
virus, but high testosterone DOES protect against Alzheimer's disease.
Therefore, Alzheimer's disease CANNOT be caused by viruses.

Ed Friedman
Evelyn
2011-04-28 21:39:29 UTC
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Post by EddyJean
+++++++
Post by EddyJean
Ed----
I'm looking at a man at this moment who has a high level of testosterone
that has Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome, a neurological disease similar to
Alzheimers. I don't know where you learned that testosterone protects
against viruses since it doesn't. Apparently your one of Evelyn's
cronies to deceive the people here.
EddyJean
EddyJean,
Apparently you are misunderstanding what I said. You say: "I don't know
where you learned that testosterone protects against viruses since it
doesn't."
That is precisely my point. High testosterone DOES NOT protect against
virus, but high testosterone DOES protect against Alzheimer's disease.
Therefore, Alzheimer's disease CANNOT be caused by viruses.
Ed Friedman
LOL! Ed, good reasoning. But Eddyjean is stuck on this crazy idea
and will not even consider her pet ideas as being untrue.

I only WISH someone WOULD find a definitive cause for alzheimers. It
would stop a great deal of suffering in this world.

Evelyn
EddyJean
2011-04-30 03:54:10 UTC
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Re: Key factors in Alzheimer's

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2011, 12:58pm (PDT+2)
From: ***@math.uchicago.edu (Ed=A0Friedman)
On 04/28/2011 01:24 AM, EddyJean wrote:
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Ed----
I'm looking at a man at this moment who has a high level of testosterone
that has Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome, a neurological disease similar to
Alzheimers. I don't know where you learned that testosterone protects
against viruses since it doesn't. Apparently your one of Evelyn's
cronies to deceive the people here.
EddyJean
EddyJean,
Apparently you are misunderstanding what I said. You say: "I don't know
where you learned that testosterone protects against viruses since it
doesn't."
That is precisely my point. High testosterone DOES NOT protect against
virus, but high testosterone DOES protect against Alzheimer's disease.
Therefore, Alzheimer's disease CANNOT be caused by viruses.
Ed Friedman
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Ed, you have contradicted yourself. In your April 27th post, you wrote
in (3) "High levels of testosterone must protect against infection by
virus and here you say, " High testosterone does not protect against
virus?" Alzheimers, Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome and others are neurological
diseases caused by viruses attacking the brain, like it or not, nor have
you said what research you've been involved in that leads you to believe
Alzheimers is not caused by a virus.
EddyJean
Ed Friedman
2011-05-02 16:48:50 UTC
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in (3) "High levels of testosterone must protect against infection by
virus and here you say, " High testosterone does not protect against
virus?" Alzheimers, Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome and others are neurological
diseases caused by viruses attacking the brain, like it or not, nor have
you said what research you've been involved in that leads you to believe
Alzheimers is not caused by a virus.
EddyJean
EddyJean,

I was doing a logical proof by contradiction. It might have been clearer
if I said "If in fact viruses case Alzheimer's disease, then since
testosterone protects against Alzheimer's disease, then testosterone
must protect against viruses."

Ed
Alan Meyer
2011-05-02 18:42:12 UTC
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On 5/2/2011 12:48 PM, Ed Friedman wrote:
...
Post by Ed Friedman
I was doing a logical proof by contradiction. It might have been clearer
if I said "If in fact viruses case Alzheimer's disease, then since
testosterone protects against Alzheimer's disease, then testosterone
must protect against viruses."
Ed
I see the point Ed and it's an interesting argument. I'm not going to
argue that a virus causes AD. I have no reason to think that it does.
But I'm not sure that your proof by contradiction works.

Suppose the activity of a virus initiates or amplifies a particular
reaction in biochemical pathway that, 5 or 10 steps later, causes
Alzheimer's pathology. Testosterone might interfere with one of the
later steps, or even with one of the steps that takes place before the
viral activity but is essential for it. It thereby inhibits AD in spite
of the presence of the virus but has no effect on the virus itself.

The virus might continue its replication activity at full speed,
including the particular reaction that is on the path to AD, but the
testosterone prevents it from starting the AD disease process.

Alan
Ed Friedman
2011-05-02 19:04:11 UTC
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I see the point Ed and it's an interesting argument. I'm not going to
argue that a virus causes AD. I have no reason to think that it does.
But I'm not sure that your proof by contradiction works.
Alan
Alan,

As usual, you make an excellent point. I admit that I have discarded the
virus theory out of hand largely because of other information that I
have gathered about this disease. E.g., autopsy studies show that people
who live in cities with high levels of air pollution have much more beta
amyloid in their brains than people who live in cities with low levels
of air pollution. As far as I know, nobody believes that people who live
in cities with low pollution are less susceptible to virus infections.

Of course, Alzheimer's is not as simple as just being a hormone
deficiency disease. There must be a separate trigger(s) that raises the
beta amyloid levels. I view hormones as a way to neutralize the
biochemical reactions that would otherwise lead to full-blown
Alzheimer's disease. I find it amusing that description of research into
this disease seems to discuss the search for a drug(s) that blocks the
specific biochemical reactions associated with Alzheimer's while
ignoring the fact that hormones already do exactly what they are looking
for. If I were a cynic, I might think that researchers are searching for
a patentable drug to make themselves rich while ignoring hormones, since
hormones cannot be patented. In reality, I personally believe that
researchers are convinced that hormones are out of the question because
of their (bogus) link to cancer.

Ed Friedman
Alan Meyer
2011-05-02 19:51:11 UTC
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On 5/2/2011 3:04 PM, Ed Friedman wrote:
...
Post by Ed Friedman
Of course, Alzheimer's is not as simple as just being a hormone
deficiency disease. There must be a separate trigger(s) that raises the
beta amyloid levels. I view hormones as a way to neutralize the
biochemical reactions that would otherwise lead to full-blown
Alzheimer's disease. I find it amusing that description of research into
this disease seems to discuss the search for a drug(s) that blocks the
specific biochemical reactions associated with Alzheimer's while
ignoring the fact that hormones already do exactly what they are looking
for. If I were a cynic, I might think that researchers are searching for
a patentable drug to make themselves rich while ignoring hormones, since
hormones cannot be patented. In reality, I personally believe that
researchers are convinced that hormones are out of the question because
of their (bogus) link to cancer.
Ed Friedman
There was a stir a few years ago about AD being a type III diabetes,
i.e., that it has to do with inability to transport insulin into brain
cells. See for example:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070926113835.htm

I once sat at dinner with an endocrinologist and diabetes expert from
Hopkins and asked him about it but he thought the theory was completely
wrong.

I know that there is some evidence that ABeta formation in the brain is
not a cause of AD but a response to it. Some experiments seem to
indicate that clearing ABeta has no effect on reducing dementia and may
even increase it. If I remember correctly, Tanzi mentions this in his
talk. The aborted anti-ABeta vaccine from Elan Pharmaceuticals
apparently succeeded in reducing ABeta in humans but did not reduce
dementia and caused serious side effects.

It seems to me that we're getting closer to understanding this disease
but we still have a good way to go. Quite understandably, people are
attempting to produce treatments with a very incomplete picture of the
process they're attempting to interrupt. I hope they succeed, but I
suspect we're going to need a fair amount of additional basic research
before we get a real treatment. It's not yet clear what the real
targets for drug therapy should be, much less what the drugs ought to be
like.

But I'm hopeful, if not for people my age (I'll be 65 this month), then
for my children and their children. Who knows. Maybe if I can hold off
another ten years (I'm working on it if PCa doesn't get me first :-)
something might even be helpful for me.

Now here's a question for you:

Have you seen the recent research claiming a negative association
between cancer and AD? People who get cancer apparently have
significantly less likelihood of getting AD and vice versa. It's
apparently not just survivor bias (the cancer folks die too young to get
AD.) The person who discovered this speculates that tumors upregulate a
gene needed for their survival and AD downregulates the same gene.

Alan
Ed Friedman
2011-05-02 21:41:31 UTC
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Post by Alan Meyer
Have you seen the recent research claiming a negative association
between cancer and AD? People who get cancer apparently have
significantly less likelihood of getting AD and vice versa. It's
apparently not just survivor bias (the cancer folks die too young to get
AD.) The person who discovered this speculates that tumors upregulate a
gene needed for their survival and AD downregulates the same gene.
Alan
Alan,

I have seen that research and I thought that it might be related to the
treatment being used for the cancer. Outside of watchful waiting in
prostate cancer, all other cancers require immediate treatment and the
treatment protocols might have some effect. I don't know which treatment
might be the key one, although when people lose their appetites (e.g.,
from chemo) and go into starvation mode, the body produces ketones which
are known to be protective against AD.

I had not heard of any relationship between insulin and AD. There is
evidence that there is decreased glucose uptake by brain cells in AD.
Some people have even had some success with a ketogenic diet, since
ketones can substitute for glucose as an energy source in brain cells.
Impaired blood flow to the brain is also an important risk factor. I
suspect that impaired blood flow results in less hormones, glucose, and
ketones able to make it into the brain cells at the proper level.

Ed Friedman
Alan Meyer
2011-05-02 22:13:37 UTC
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Post by Ed Friedman
...
I have seen that research and I thought that it might be related to the
treatment being used for the cancer. Outside of watchful waiting in
prostate cancer, all other cancers require immediate treatment and the
treatment protocols might have some effect. I don't know which treatment
might be the key one, although when people lose their appetites (e.g.,
from chemo) and go into starvation mode, the body produces ketones which
are known to be protective against AD.
I had not heard of any relationship between insulin and AD. There is
evidence that there is decreased glucose uptake by brain cells in AD.
Some people have even had some success with a ketogenic diet, since
ketones can substitute for glucose as an energy source in brain cells.
Impaired blood flow to the brain is also an important risk factor. I
suspect that impaired blood flow results in less hormones, glucose, and
ketones able to make it into the brain cells at the proper level.
Ed Friedman
You always come up with interesting ideas about how things might be related.

Thanks.

Alan
Bohgosity BumaskiL
2011-09-04 05:29:17 UTC
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Post by Ed Friedman
I see the point Ed and it's an interesting argument. I'm not going
to argue that a virus causes AD. I have no reason to think that it
does. But I'm not sure that your proof by contradiction works.
Alan
Alan,
As usual, you make an excellent point. I admit that I have discarded
the virus theory out of hand largely because of other information
that I have gathered about this disease. E.g., autopsy studies show
that people who live in cities with high levels of air pollution
have much more beta amyloid in their brains than people who live in
cities with low levels of air pollution. As far as I know, nobody
believes that people who live in cities with low pollution are less
susceptible to virus infections.
Nice point. Where did you get that statistic? It implicates MMT.
Post by Ed Friedman
Of course, Alzheimer's is not as simple as just being a hormone
deficiency disease. There must be a separate trigger(s) that raises
the beta amyloid levels. I view hormones as a way to neutralize the
biochemical reactions that would otherwise lead to full-blown
Alzheimer's disease. I find it amusing that description of research
into this disease seems to discuss the search for a drug(s) that
blocks the specific biochemical reactions associated with
Alzheimer's while ignoring the fact that hormones already do exactly
what they are looking for. If I were a cynic, I might think that
researchers are searching for a patentable drug to make themselves
rich while ignoring hormones, since hormones cannot be patented. In
reality, I personally believe that researchers are convinced that
hormones are out of the question because of their (bogus) link to
cancer.
Ed Friedman
I am with you on cheap.
Hormones hav side-effects, though.
I suspect that a steroid out there might be appropriate.

Unfortunately, most of them are patented, and once you hav a steroid
that is functional, it might not be hard to find a derivative with fewer
side-effects.
_______
http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/ BrewJay's Babble Bin
Ed Friedman
2011-09-06 20:43:23 UTC
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Post by Bohgosity BumaskiL
Nice point. Where did you get that statistic? It implicates MMT.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15513908

Ed Friedman
Bohgosity BumaskiL
2011-09-21 01:06:54 UTC
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Post by Ed Friedman
Post by Bohgosity BumaskiL
Nice point. Where did you get that statistic? It implicates MMT.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15513908
Ed Friedman
Anybody still believe that Tobacco prevents Alz...uh...wait a minute.
Tobacco smoke does not contain much Manganese or Aluminum. To make it
conclusive, I would want to compare Los Angeles (where MMT is not) to
New York (where MMT is).

I am getting the picture that the difference between CJD and Alzheimer's
is that Alz _is_ associated with inflammation, while CJD does not hav
that particular indicator of infection.
_______
Clairvoyants convention cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances.
http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/ BrewJay's Babble Bin

Bohgosity BumaskiL
2011-09-04 05:18:17 UTC
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On 5/2/2011 12:48 PM, Ed Friedman wrote: ...
Post by Ed Friedman
I was doing a logical proof by contradiction. It might have been
clearer if I said "If in fact viruses case Alzheimer's disease,
then since testosterone protects against Alzheimer's disease,
then testosterone must protect against viruses."
Ed
I see the point Ed and it's an interesting argument. I'm not
going to argue that a virus causes AD. I have no reason to think
that it does. But I'm not sure that your proof by contradiction
works.
Suppose the activity of a virus initiates or amplifies a particular
reaction in biochemical pathway that, 5 or 10 steps later, causes
Alzheimer's pathology. Testosterone might interfere with one of
the later steps, or even with one of the steps that takes place
before the viral activity but is essential for it. It thereby
inhibits AD in spite of the presence of the virus but has no effect
on the virus itself.
The virus might continue its replication activity at full speed,
including the particular reaction that is on the path to AD, but
the testosterone prevents it from starting the AD disease process.
Alan
...amplifies...later steps...even...
To summarize: What if testosterone inhibits only this virus?
Or: What if testosterone inhibits viral action?

To my knowledge, testosterone does not inhibit *any* virus,
nor does it inhibit one of the chemical pathways that lead
to Alzheimer's.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7071576.stm

It seems like Herpes Simplex (HSV-1), but then quotes from researchers
and authorities are cloudy, and they are only talking about one
protein: At best, an effect, and not a cause....Nope...not HSV-1.

Nobody haz isolated this virus.
Viruses cause inflammation when and where your body attacks it.
Inflammation is not a symptom of Alzheimer's.
_______
Discarded Acronyms: Wake On Packet: WOP.
Bohgosity BumaskiL
2011-09-04 04:38:43 UTC
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news:ipa2p4$1ls$***@dont-email.me

Ed Friedman sounds like a reviewer.
His lojik doesn't _exactly_ follow, and it's close enough.
_______
Law of Research:
Enough research will tend to support your theory.
EddyJean
2011-04-28 06:02:09 UTC
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Re: Key factors in Alzheimer's

Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 6:51am (PDT+3)
From: ***@gmail.com (Evelyn)
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:06:53 -0700, ***@webtv.net (EddyJean) wrote:
Key factors in Alzheimer's
Group: alt.support.alzheimers Date: Tue, Apr 26, 2011, 3:09pm (PDT+2)
From: ***@math.uchicago.edu (Ed=A0Friedman)
In doing some research, it seems to me that the key factors in
Alzheimer's disease are the increased levels of beta-amyloid, the
increased hyperphosphorylation of the tau protein, and the decreased
levels of glucose reaching the brain cells. Are there any other key
factors that anyone know about that I may be missing here?
Ed Friedman
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Ed.....The increased levels of beta amyloid is a symptom caused by a
virus. Study the viruses, especially the Ramsay-Hunt Syndrome virus
discovered in 1907 by the late Dr. James Ramsay Hunt. EddyJean
This has been researched and Eddy Jeans nonsense is not true. =A0 Please
take everything Eddy Jean says with not a grain of salt, but a whole
bucketfull.
Evelyn
+++++++++
Again Ed, ----this has not been researched as Evelyn says. Evelyn does
everything she can to prevent the truth from being known. Check out the
late Dr. James Ramsay Hunt with the neurology department of Columbia
University in NYC.
EddyJean
Alan Meyer
2011-05-02 15:46:53 UTC
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Post by Ed Friedman
In doing some research, it seems to me that the key factors in
Alzheimer's disease are the increased levels of beta-amyloid, the
increased hyperphosphorylation of the tau protein, and the decreased
levels of glucose reaching the brain cells.
Are there any other key factors that anyone know about that I may be
missing here?
Ed Friedman
Hello Ed,

I didn't know that you were interested in Alzheimer's Disease. My Mom
and mother-in-law both died of it and my Dad had some form of dementia
at the end, so I've been very interested in this topic.

I don't know if you're able to see NIH videocasts or not. I believe
they are available off the NIH campus, so give it a try.

There was a lecture on March 23, 2011 by Rudi Tanzi that might interest
you entitled "Alzheimer's Disease: From Genes to Novel Therapeutics".
Click the "Search" link and search for Rudi Tanzi and hopefully you'll
see it (I see it, but I'm on the NIH campus.)

Also try searching for "Alzheimers" for other recent lectures by leading
scientists.

Hope that helps.

Alan
Alan Meyer
2011-05-02 15:49:58 UTC
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On 5/2/2011 11:46 AM, Alan Meyer wrote:
...
I don't know if you're able to see NIH videocasts or not. I believe they
are available off the NIH campus, so give it a try.
...

I see I forgot to post the link (hope that's not a sign of anything.)

See: http://videocast.nih.gov/

Alan
Ed Friedman
2011-05-02 16:59:36 UTC
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Post by Alan Meyer
Hello Ed,
I didn't know that you were interested in Alzheimer's Disease. My Mom
and mother-in-law both died of it and my Dad had some form of dementia
at the end, so I've been very interested in this topic.
Alan
Alan,

I actually got into Alzheimer's research by accident. When I was doing
Web searches for testosterone and prostate cancer, I kept coming across
article after article that showed that testosterone prevented pretty
much every known biochemical reaction known to occur in Alzheimer's
disease, but at the end of the article they would warn not to actually
use testosterone because of the risk of causing prostate cancer or
fueling the growth of existing prostate cancer. Since my own research
shows that that "risk" can be neutralized by using aromatase inhibitors
along with testosterone, and the only trials done in humans were to
raise from very low levels of testosterone to low (with the final number
around 1/3 of high teenage level) with not much improvement, it occurs
to me that the same protocol to prevent prostate cancer (teenage levels
of testosterone) should prevent Alzheimer's disease.

I haven't heard all of that talk yet, but it's over an hour long, so I
plan on listening to it over a number of days.

Thanks for the info.

Ed Friedman
Bohgosity BumaskiL
2011-09-04 09:53:18 UTC
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Post by Ed Friedman
In doing some research, it seems to me that the key factors in
Alzheimer's disease are the increased levels of beta-amyloid, the
increased hyperphosphorylation of the tau protein, and the decreased
levels of glucose reaching the brain cells.
Are there any other key factors that anyone know about that I may be
missing here?
Ed Friedman
Another key factor is absence of inflammation. A complication in
discounting EddyJean's virus hypothesis is that prednisone is used in
treating Ramsay Hunt Syndrome, which might be an artifact of HSV-1
(Herpes Simplex, very common). Prednisone is a hormone that some
people take against lung inflammation, among other things. It is a
steroid, like testosterone.

I am not convinced, though. I do not find it peculiar at all that this
Herpes Simplex (slow virus) theory is part of Alzheimer's and CJD research.

Inflammation is a hallmark of just about every virus but Herpes Simplex,
which is probably by far the major virus that people keep. I heard a
blood donor clinic nurse speculate that they might delete the code for
it if it approaches a hundred percent -- not too likely, though, since
it causes encephalitis under the right growing conditions.
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